Magenta, Italy crash and 'Gabinetto RS/33' (Jun 1933)
Unproven What these labels mean →Claim: on 13 Jun 1933 a ~10 m bell-shaped craft came down at Magenta (or Vergiate, depending on the version) west of Milan. Mussolini's regime formed a secret 'Gabinetto RS/33' (with Ciano, Balbo, astronomer Gino Cecchini, possibly Marconi); stored the craft at SIAI-Marchetti (Vergiate), possibly later at the Mount Soratte bunker; Pius XII back-channeled it to the US; the OSS took it in 1944–45. Grusch cited it (NewsNation 2023), and Elizondo says he's seen 'validated' Mussolini documents. The paper trail is documents given to ufologist Roberto Pinotti in 1996 by anonymous 'Mr. X': three 13 Jun 1933 Stefani agency telegrams ordering silence and a 'meteor' cover, an RS/33 handling protocol (arrest witnesses, route reports to RS/33, publish meteor stories, exclude other scientific bodies including the Pontifical university), and 1936 notes on a Mestre sighting. Only one document (1936) was forensically tested; there's no independent archival corroboration of RS/33; Italian skeptics (CISU) say the files fail basic authenticity checks.
Ties
| To | Role | Years | Verdict | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Roswell incident (1947) | the 'Roswell before Roswell'; the same 'meteor/weather' cover pattern in the alleged telegrams | 1933/1947 | Concept | |
| Suppression pattern | if authentic: explicit orders to arrest witnesses, publish 'meteor' stories, exclude scientists | 1933 | Unproven | |
| Vatican UAP archive | alleged Pius XII back-channel to the US | 1944–45 | Unproven | |
| Majestic 12 documents (1984-1996) | pattern: anonymous-source documents arriving by post, surfacing in the same era (1996); the RS/33 protocol resembles MJ-12 claims | 1984/1996 | Concept | |
| David Grusch | cited Magenta as the first recovery ('90-year cover-up') | 2023 | Documented · said | ufofiles.net |
| Luis Elizondo | says he saw validated Mussolini-era documentation | 2023 | Unproven | youtube.com |
Tied from
| From | Role | Years | Verdict | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| The Why Files describes Die Glocke as a mercury-filled 'Xerum 525' bell with lethal fields and a time-viewing 'Kronos' project that killed ~60 scientists | another Axis-era 'wonder craft' via anonymous documents ('Mr. X' in both) | 1933/1996 | Concept | |
| Coyame crash (1974) | another foreign retrieval claim with US custody | 1933/1974 | Concept | |
| Varginha incident (1996) | another foreign retrieval with alleged US custody | 1933/1996 | Concept |
Links
- Video: UAP Gerb, 'The 1933 Magenta, Italy UFO Crash'
- The UFO Files: what we actually know
- Metabunk: claim thread
- Wanted in Rome: Mussolini's secret UFO files
- The Residium: Pinotti on Magenta
Notes
| Claim | Record | Tag |
|---|---|---|
| Three Stefani telegrams (13 Jun 1933): silence ordered; 'recognized as a meteor by the Brera observatory'; distribution stopped | Pinotti documents (copies); only the 1936 item was paper/ink tested | telegrams |
| RS/33 nine-point protocol (arrest witnesses; exclude the Pontifical university; publish meteor stories) | Same anonymous source | RS/33 protocol |
| Local press (Jun 1933) reported storms and lightning near Magenta, read as the ordered cover | Newspapers exist; the interpretation is the researcher's | storm reports |
| Craft stored at SIAI-Marchetti, then the Soratte bunker; OSS recovery 1944–45; Pius XII tipped the US | Christopher Sharp (2021); Grusch; no paper trail | custody chain |
| Documents 'proven authentic' | Pinotti's expert tested one 1936 document; the 1933 telegrams untested; vintage paper can be used for forgeries; CISU disputes authenticity | authenticity |
| Bodies recovered | A later addition (a claimed grandson source); not in the original documents | bodies |
| Location swap (Magenta vs. Vergiate/Lake Maggiore) across versions | CISU critique: legend creep | shifting versions |
Gaps
- Italian state archives (ACS Rome: Ministero dell'Interno, Stefani agency files) for 13 Jun 1933 dispatches 63310 et al.: an archival check, not a US FOIA.